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Posted: Jul 2, 2026 - 6:07am

 rgio wrote:

Being an officer isn't a qualification for running the largest military on the planet.  There are over 300,000 US officers.   You're more likely to run into an officer than you are a dentist (200,000), an architect (120,000) or a pilot (~100,000).    

As for "grilling"... You should go back and watch Pete "answer" questions about examples of military standard rollbacks, the legal and ethical boundaries of deploying active-duty troops domestically against civilians, and his stance on personal misconduct disqualifications.  

Given Trump's focus on fealty, and his disregard for norms, subject matter expertise, and ability... as you say... nothing is inconceivable.  

Full disclosure: I have a family member who lived next to Pete at Princeton... and he's been an asshole for decades.

I didn't mean to suggest that he was even remotely qualified for that post, or even to be some low-level, under-secretary in the DOD, but there was just that tiny connection. Given that the senate approved a delusional, conspiracy-spouting, junkie, lunatic, with no medical or scientific education, as secretary of HHS, nothing is inconceivable anymore.
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Posted: Jul 2, 2026 - 5:53am

 Proclivities wrote:
True, it is a feature, not a bug, but his position is very different. He was an officer in the military, so he has some connection to the post, and the position is not a lifetime one. He was grilled by some senators, but more for his behavior than his opinions and intentions for the Dept. of Defense (sadly). Justice nominees are generally questioned on their legal opinions and knowledge of the Constitution and landmark rulings, though in the cases of Thomas and Kavanaugh (among others), their behavior to some extent. Their "impartiality" (or some illusion or perception of it) is often one of the main points.
No non-attorney has ever been appointed as a SCOTUS judge, let's hope it stays that way, but nothing is inconceivable from this administration.

Being an officer isn't a qualification for running the largest military on the planet.  There are over 300,000 US officers.   You're more likely to run into an officer than you are a dentist (200,000), an architect (120,000) or a pilot (~100,000).    

As for "grilling"... You should go back and watch Pete "answer" questions about examples of military standard rollbacks, the legal and ethical boundaries of deploying active-duty troops domestically against civilians, and his stance on personal misconduct disqualifications.  

Given Trump's focus on fealty, and his disregard for norms, subject matter expertise, and ability... as you say... nothing is inconceivable.  

Full disclosure: I have a family member who lived next to Pete at Princeton... and he's been an asshole for decades.
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Posted: Jul 2, 2026 - 4:56am

 rgio wrote:
Yeah... How could they confirm and extermist, fringe, knowledge-less, unqualified mook for such a serious role?   
 

It's a feature, not a bug.

True, it is a feature, not a bug, but his position is very different. He was an officer in the military, so he has some connection to the post, and the position is not a lifetime one. He was grilled by some senators, but more for his behavior than his opinions and intentions for the Dept. of Defense (sadly). Justice nominees are generally questioned on their legal opinions and knowledge of the Constitution and landmark rulings, though in the cases of Thomas and Kavanaugh (among others), their behavior to some extent. Their "impartiality" (or some illusion or perception of it) is often one of the main points.
No non-attorney has ever been appointed as a SCOTUS judge, let's hope it stays that way, but nothing is inconceivable from this administration.
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Posted: Jul 1, 2026 - 1:56pm

 rgio wrote:

Sadly, I think you're right.

The Republicans know they are ruling on borrowed time, and it feels like they are trying to destroy as much of the government as possible, for as long as possible, so crazy things like social programs, tax collection and mail take decades to recover (if ever).

I'd honestly never thought about it until I typed it this morning...but here's hoping none of the SCOTUS judges die until at least January...maybe January 2028 depending on the mid-term results.  


It may be possible that one of the current justices (Alito, Thomas) decides to hand Trump another win by resigning before Trump's term is over so he can appoint a younger, equally conservative justice. Breyer IIRC did this. 
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Posted: Jul 1, 2026 - 1:48pm

 Proclivities wrote:

With this administration anything might be attempted (Greenland, Canada, unapproved tariffs, etc.).  Opposing a clearly-worded clause like birthright citizenship, in the 14th Amendment, was once something only brought up by extremist, fringe groups, now it only seems to have been upheld by a slight majority of the court.  Still, approving a non-attorney, who doesn't even have a nominal knowledge of the law and American law history, would seem very unlikely, given the confirmation process, and his numerous, blatant biases, even among the present GOP bootlickers in the Senate - or so I would hope.

Yeah... How could they confirm and extermist, fringe, knowledge-less, unqualified mook for such a serious role?   
 

It's a feature, not a bug.
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Posted: Jul 1, 2026 - 12:56pm

 rgio wrote:

Sadly, I think you're right.

The Republicans know they are ruling on borrowed time, and it feels like they are trying to destroy as much of the government as possible, for as long as possible, so crazy things like social programs, tax collection and mail take decades to recover (if ever).

I'd honestly never thought about it until I typed it this morning...but here's hoping none of the SCOTUS judges die until at least January...maybe January 2028 depending on the mid-term results.  

With this administration anything might be attempted (Greenland, Canada, unapproved tariffs, etc.).  Opposing a clearly-worded clause like birthright citizenship, in the 14th Amendment, was once something only brought up by extremist, fringe groups, now it only seems to have been upheld by a slight majority of the court.  Still, approving a non-attorney, who doesn't even have a nominal knowledge of the law and American law history, would seem very unlikely, given the confirmation process, and his numerous, blatant biases, even among the present GOP bootlickers in the Senate - or so I would hope.
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Posted: Jul 1, 2026 - 12:10pm

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:
No they'd interpret "advise and consent" to mean "advise." They'd let him take his seat without holding any hearings.

Sadly, I think you're right.

The Republicans know they are ruling on borrowed time, and it feels like they are trying to destroy as much of the government as possible, for as long as possible, so crazy things like social programs, tax collection and mail take decades to recover (if ever).

I'd honestly never thought about it until I typed it this morning...but here's hoping none of the SCOTUS judges die until at least January...maybe January 2028 depending on the mid-term results.  
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Posted: Jul 1, 2026 - 11:05am

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:


So what if it's not a heart attack? What if Alito taunts a moose and gets pantsed by an antler as he's being tossed onto a confused bear?

We would call that FUN here in NH, it's the Miller replacement that takes the air out of the party balloon. 

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Posted: Jul 1, 2026 - 11:00am

 ColdMiser wrote:


Not sure I like your idea of FUN here 



So what if it's not a heart attack? What if Alito taunts a moose and gets pantsed by an antler as he's being tossed onto a confused bear?
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Posted: Jul 1, 2026 - 10:43am

 rgio wrote:

So let's play this out for fun....

What if one of the justices has a heart attack this summer and is gone.   

Trump followed advice before (first term), but now he's persistently pushing his own flunky's who he knows will do exactly what he wants.  

He decides that Stephen Miller is the perfect "justice".  No legal degree.  40 years old.  Irrationally conservative.  Racist.  Family separation and immigrant torture specialist. Perfect for the job.

Would Republicans block the confirmation?


Not sure I like your idea of FUN here 
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Posted: Jul 1, 2026 - 8:23am

 rgio wrote:
Would Republicans block the confirmation?

No they'd interpret "advise and consent" to mean "advise." They'd let him take his seat without holding any hearings.

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Posted: Jul 1, 2026 - 4:17am

 Red_Dragon wrote:

Perhaps not, but you need to be one to get there - unless I'm again mistaken.




Just like it would be rational to have some sort of political experience before folks made you president of the United States. A
We see now how incredibly stupid that decision was.
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Posted: Jul 1, 2026 - 4:14am

 kcar wrote:
https://www.supremecourt.gov/a...

Are there qualifications to be a Justice? Do you have to be a lawyer or attend law school to be a Supreme Court Justice?

The Constitution does not specify qualifications for Justices such as age, education, profession, or native-born citizenship. A Justice does not have to be a lawyer or a law school graduate, but all Justices have been trained in the law. Many of the 18th and 19th century Justices studied law under a mentor because there were few law schools in the country.


    So let's play this out for fun....

    What if one of the justices has a heart attack this summer and is gone.   

    Trump followed advice before (first term), but now he's persistently pushing his own flunky's who he knows will do exactly what he wants.  

    He decides that Stephen Miller is the perfect "justice".  No legal degree.  40 years old.  Irrationally conservative.  Racist.  Family separation and immigrant torture specialist. Perfect for the job.

    Would Republicans block the confirmation?
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    Posted: Jun 30, 2026 - 9:44pm

     Red_Dragon wrote:

    Perhaps not, but you need to be one to get there - unless I'm again mistaken.



    https://www.supremecourt.gov/a...

    Are there qualifications to be a Justice? Do you have to be a lawyer or attend law school to be a Supreme Court Justice?

    The Constitution does not specify qualifications for Justices such as age, education, profession, or native-born citizenship. A Justice does not have to be a lawyer or a law school graduate, but all Justices have been trained in the law. Many of the 18th and 19th century Justices studied law under a mentor because there were few law schools in the country.

    • The last Justice to be appointed who did not attend any law school was James F. Byrnes (1941-1942). He did not graduate from high school and taught himself law, passing the bar at the age of 23.
    • Robert H. Jackson (1941-1954). While Jackson did not attend an undergraduate college, he did study law at Albany Law School in New York. At the time of his graduation, Jackson was only twenty years old and one of the requirements for a law degree was that students must be twenty-one years old. Thus rather than a law degree, Jackson was awarded with a "diploma of graduation." Twenty-nine years later, Albany Law School belatedly presented Jackson with a law degree noting his original graduating class of 1912.


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    Posted: Jun 30, 2026 - 5:22pm

     rgio wrote:

    You don't have to be a lawyer to be on the SCOTUS.   The lack of ethics displayed by Thomas has been a critical component of the courts lost luster.  He's the perfect justice for a guy like Trump, albeit one that arrived decades earlier.


    Perhaps not, but you need to be one to get there - unless I'm again mistaken.


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    Posted: Jun 30, 2026 - 4:59pm

    Humpty Trumpty had a great fall!  ðŸ™Œ
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    Posted: Jun 30, 2026 - 2:32pm

     Red_Dragon wrote:
    He's also more than happy to sell his decisions for money and gifts. He should be disbarred and prosecuted for graft.

    You don't have to be a lawyer to be on the SCOTUS.   The lack of ethics displayed by Thomas has been a critical component of the courts lost luster.  He's the perfect justice for a guy like Trump, albeit one that arrived decades earlier.

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    Posted: Jun 30, 2026 - 2:25pm

     rgio wrote:

    Thomas is on record as crediting the 14th Amendment with securing his family's citizenship after slavery, yet consistently argues it shouldn't extend that same birthright logic to children of immigrants. The ability to interpret the same clause expansively for freedmen, yet narrowly for everyone else, is illogical.

    He is a judicial whore, who seems happy to interpret some of the Constitution as expansive (#2), yet unreasonably narrow elsewhere (#14)... it just depends on what Harlan tells him pays him to think.

    Alito is just a bit nuts (and so's his wife... which he and Clarence have in common).  He'll be down the road here for the rest of the summer... but I doubt I'll get a chance to ask him much.


    He's also more than happy to sell his decisions for money and gifts. He should be disbarred and prosecuted for graft.
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    Posted: Jun 30, 2026 - 2:19pm

     rgio wrote:

    Originalist seems to be pretty damn flexible.

    A world of school shootings and space tourism just weren't things Jefferson considered.  Interpreting today through the eyes of someone born 280 years ago is foolish, and "originalist" is a way to cloak partisan bullshit that's often indefensible.   



    Exactly. Scalia was always calling himself an originalist.
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    Posted: Jun 30, 2026 - 2:09pm

     ScottFromWyoming wrote:
    Unrelated but sort of, I saw a quote from Mike Johnson complaining that the SCOTUS ruling is "a textualist, originalist view." Now wait a goldarn minute. I thought conservatives loved constitutional originalist views.

    Originalist seems to be pretty damn flexible.

    A world of school shootings and space tourism just weren't things Jefferson considered.  Interpreting today through the eyes of someone born 280 years ago is foolish, and "originalist" is a way to cloak partisan bullshit that's often indefensible.   

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