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ScottishWillie wrote:
Correction good sir; Sex, Murder and Violins!
(kinda sounds like a Frank Zappa single, doesn't it?)
Sex and violins, you can't beat it!
Correction good sir; Sex, Murder and Violins!
(kinda sounds like a Frank Zappa single, doesn't it?)
Sex and violins, you can't beat it!
richard thompson...oh my
the average rating is much too low on this one!!
Cricketer wrote:
Classmates - interesting, especially if you have in mind that Stranglers count as a new wave band, while FP are from the (earlier) classic (folk) rock era.
Bit of wikipedia trivia... [Richard Thompson].. ..While attending William Ellis School in Highgate, he formed his first band "Emil and the Detectives" (named after a book and a movie by the same title) with classmate Hugh Cornwell, later lead singer and guitarist of The Stranglers, on bass guitar.
Classmates - interesting, especially if you have in mind that Stranglers count as a new wave band, while FP are from the (earlier) classic (folk) rock era.
Alexandra wrote:
Aaaarh! If it weren't for you meddelin' servants I would have got away with it!!
If only that DAMNED servant wouldn't have run and told on them.
Someone ought to impale him against the wall too for being a meddler.
Aaaarh! If it weren't for you meddelin' servants I would have got away with it!!
ScottishWillie wrote:
A bit of background to the song. It’s based on a traditional Border Ballad from my part of the world. During the era of this song bands of Border Reivers (bandits) had made the area around the Scottish/English border a lawless no man’s land for hundreds of years. The people were dour lowland Scots (Americans call them UlsterScots) whose only loyalty was to the family. They robbed anyone who wasn't strong enough to hold onto their property and any perceived insult was dealt with through violence.
Some would say the area hasn’t changed much.
My cousin died on PAN Am 103. South of the border. Lockerbie was an impoverished village. Maybe it had seen better days. Maybe not. The townspeople were very kind to the friends and relatives of the victims. They still are. Any visitor with a story will be welcomed. The Cemetery is beautifully kept. As a memorial to those who perished and a reminder of the inhumanity of man
A bit of background to the song. It’s based on a traditional Border Ballad from my part of the world. During the era of this song bands of Border Reivers (bandits) had made the area around the Scottish/English border a lawless no man’s land for hundreds of years. The people were dour lowland Scots (Americans call them UlsterScots) whose only loyalty was to the family. They robbed anyone who wasn't strong enough to hold onto their property and any perceived insult was dealt with through violence.
Some would say the area hasn’t changed much.
My cousin died on PAN Am 103. South of the border. Lockerbie was an impoverished village. Maybe it had seen better days. Maybe not. The townspeople were very kind to the friends and relatives of the victims. They still are. Any visitor with a story will be welcomed. The Cemetery is beautifully kept. As a memorial to those who perished and a reminder of the inhumanity of man
chinaski wrote:
Ahhhh- now I have to dig out Cricklewood Green!!!
I remember being at the record store back then going through the alphabetized bins buying this LP and Ten Years After's Cricklewood Green that day. Still have those albums.
Ahhhh- now I have to dig out Cricklewood Green!!!
Sandy Denny and Richard Thompson.....doesn't get much better!
Richard and Linda Thompson's "When The Spell Is Broken" is phenomenal too...
Richard and Linda Thompson's "When The Spell Is Broken" is phenomenal too...
I remember being at the record store back then going through the alphabetized bins buying this LP and Ten Years After's Cricklewood Green that day. Still have those albums.
justin4kick wrote:
Lord Darnell's wife seems a cougar to me
Lord Darnell's wife seems a cougar to me
A masterpiece!
Boy_Wonder wrote:
Easy 9 for me. Love the story.
Only 6.7 for the founding track of Folk-Rock... come on people, get liking!
Easy 9 for me. Love the story.
petrosilius wrote:
Are you a complete dick or are you running that brain? in for a friend?
There is so much good misic on this planet... Why do you play this egocentric-synthesizer-loop-kindergarden-artists?
Are you a complete dick or are you running that brain? in for a friend?
Thank you RP for this wonderful music
petrosilius wrote:
"Synthesizer"? Where? There was zero synth on that piece of music. I don't even know where you think there was. It was recorded in 1969. I don't think Fairport used a synth before the mid 80s, and then only rarely.
There is so much good misic on this planet... Why do you play this egocentric-synthesizer-loop-kindergarden-artists?
"Synthesizer"? Where? There was zero synth on that piece of music. I don't even know where you think there was. It was recorded in 1969. I don't think Fairport used a synth before the mid 80s, and then only rarely.
psmith wrote:
Yep, I was at Cropredy in the 80s I think and it was over 45 minutes (they had lots of ex-members as guests, so everyone 'got a go'). When we heard it start, we checked the time ;-) It was awesome !!!
rockasaurus wrote:
I hate it when a bunch of stoners decide that their song is just sooooo awesome that it needs to be played for, oh THIRTY FREAKING MINUTES!
That would be Fairport's 'Sloth'
Really!
I remember being at a concert where it was about 37 minutes - and that wasn't their longest version of it. People wanted it to go on longer.
Live version of Matty Groves can go on for 20 minutes or more (they often morph into other tunes after the words have finished), but generally not the recorded versions.
Yep, I was at Cropredy in the 80s I think and it was over 45 minutes (they had lots of ex-members as guests, so everyone 'got a go'). When we heard it start, we checked the time ;-) It was awesome !!!
tonyjory wrote:
Yes - brilliant. One comment - Lord Darnell s/b Lord Donald.
CamLwalk wrote:
What a song! Murder, Sex, Betrayal! Not to mention amazing singing and guitar.
How come the band didn't notice the song had finished and continued to play?
Airport Convention live at the l.a. troubadour 1979 - the definitive Matty Groves rendition in my opinion...
Bit of wikipedia trivia... [Richard Thompson].. ..While attending William Ellis School in Highgate, he formed his first band "Emil and the Detectives" (named after a book and a movie by the same title) with classmate Hugh Cornwell, later lead singer and guitarist of The Stranglers, on bass guitar.
poetdancer wrote:
Saw RT in Santa Fe last month. Still brilliant, still on top of his game.
Richard Thompson still plays this in his live shows, and he does a fine version of it too.
Saw RT in Santa Fe last month. Still brilliant, still on top of his game.
Real lyrics.
Not I love you, why did you leave me?
I will have the last laugh, you baude.
Not I love you, why did you leave me?
I will have the last laugh, you baude.
Richard Thompson still plays this in his live shows, and he does a fine version of it too.
Medieval stoner 
msymmes wrote:
Which came first? This tune OR Jessica by the Allman Brothers ?
A bit of background to the song. It’s based on a traditional Border Ballad from my part of the world. During the era of this song, bands of Border Reivers (bandits) made the area around the Scottish/English border a lawless no man’s land for hundreds of years. The people were dour lowland Scots (Americans call them UlsterScots) whose only loyalty was to the family. They robbed anyone who wasn't strong enough to hold onto their property, and any perceived insult was dealt with through violence.
Some would say the area hasn’t changed much.
Check the Doc Watson version. Quite different but equally excellent. Same basic story but different lyrics. And Doc Watson's guitar pickings sounds very much like Richard Thompson acoustic.
What a song! Murder, Sex, Betrayal! Not to mention amazing singing and guitar.
I love this album. From my HS years. I played the whole thing and love all of the songs, and this was one of the more special ones. Eac special, in their own way. Who Knows where the time goes? Poor Sandy, that she would have lasted at least as long as Keef Richards!
Only 6.7 for the founding track of Folk-Rock... come on people, get liking!
petrosilius wrote:
That's probably the most off-topic post ever on RP... are you sure you're commenting on the right track?
The founding song/album for the whole folk-rock genre, and still one of the best - murder and class, all in a few minutes, beat that Mumford and Sons! And RT and Swarb never better...
'Shady Grove' - they share the same trad. roots...
There is so much good misic on this planet... Why do you play this egocentric-synthesizer-loop-kindergarden-artists?
That's probably the most off-topic post ever on RP... are you sure you're commenting on the right track?
The founding song/album for the whole folk-rock genre, and still one of the best - murder and class, all in a few minutes, beat that Mumford and Sons! And RT and Swarb never better...
'Shady Grove' - they share the same trad. roots...
petrosilius wrote:
Perhaps because Fairport Convention have been going for over three decades, so are hardly "kindergarden" artists? Electro-folk has long divided opinion within and outwith the 'folk scene', and intense dislike is understandable, but give the band credit for longevity, innovation and a large following.
In the news recently, FP's violinist, Dave Swarbrick, died this month. See this Guardian report.
There is so much good misic on this planet... Why do you play this egocentric-synthesizer-loop-kindergarden-artists?
Perhaps because Fairport Convention have been going for over three decades, so are hardly "kindergarden" artists? Electro-folk has long divided opinion within and outwith the 'folk scene', and intense dislike is understandable, but give the band credit for longevity, innovation and a large following.
In the news recently, FP's violinist, Dave Swarbrick, died this month. See this Guardian report.
coccyx wrote:
...i see an empty chair over here, my lucky day
i'm outta here
...i see an empty chair over here, my lucky day
i'm outta here
Yuck.
msymmes wrote:
Which came first? This tune OR Jessica by the Allman Brothers ?
I think you must be really confused......hypoglycemia maybe? Try having a Snickers and give it another listen. (Good freakin' grief....poor sucker must be tone deaf)
And to answer your question, not that it's a relevant one because this is an English folk ballad and Jessica is anything but folk-like, ""Matty Groves" is an English folk ballad that describes an adulterous tryst between a man and a woman that is ended when the woman's husband discovers and kills them. It dates to at least the 17th century"
This version by Fairport Convention also pre-dates Jessica by about 4 years. So there you go. The Allman Brothers obviously copied the tune and then made it sound nothing in the world like it so that only you could detect it.
Which came first? This tune OR Jessica by the Allman Brothers ?
I think you must be really confused......hypoglycemia maybe? Try having a Snickers and give it another listen. (Good freakin' grief....poor sucker must be tone deaf)
And to answer your question, not that it's a relevant one because this is an English folk ballad and Jessica is anything but folk-like, ""Matty Groves" is an English folk ballad that describes an adulterous tryst between a man and a woman that is ended when the woman's husband discovers and kills them. It dates to at least the 17th century"
This version by Fairport Convention also pre-dates Jessica by about 4 years. So there you go. The Allman Brothers obviously copied the tune and then made it sound nothing in the world like it so that only you could detect it.
msymmes wrote:
Which came first? This tune OR Jessica by the Allman Brothers ?
I dunno, were the Allmans writing in the 1600's?
Which came first? This tune OR Jessica by the Allman Brothers ?
I dunno, were the Allmans writing in the 1600's?
lososs wrote:
Well, if you're going to ruin an otherwise brilliant ballad, you may as well go all out with a "hoedown" (perfect description of it, jhorton!) :-(
jhorton wrote:
kinda...
was reading the lyrics 'of the song that I just heard (as I thought) and rated with a fine grade' and then wanted to give a bad rate to the horrible next instrumental song, and then found out it's still the same song :D
(btw the ''horrible ' is just my opinion of course, as music taste is anyway..)
well, the surprisingly awesome lyrics and the first part still keep the grade up ;)
Wow, they could shorten that hoedown at the end by an hour or so, couldn't they?
kinda...
was reading the lyrics 'of the song that I just heard (as I thought) and rated with a fine grade' and then wanted to give a bad rate to the horrible next instrumental song, and then found out it's still the same song :D
(btw the ''horrible ' is just my opinion of course, as music taste is anyway..)
well, the surprisingly awesome lyrics and the first part still keep the grade up ;)
Well, if you're going to ruin an otherwise brilliant ballad, you may as well go all out with a "hoedown" (perfect description of it, jhorton!) :-(
jhorton wrote:
kinda...
was reading the lyrics 'of the song that I just heard (as I thought) and rated with a fine grade' and then wanted to give a bad rate to the horrible next instrumental song, and then found out it's still the same song :D
(btw the ''horrible ' is just my opinion of course, as music taste is anyway..)
well, the surprisingly awesome lyrics and the first part still keep the grade up ;)
Wow, they could shorten that hoedown at the end by an hour or so, couldn't they?
kinda...
was reading the lyrics 'of the song that I just heard (as I thought) and rated with a fine grade' and then wanted to give a bad rate to the horrible next instrumental song, and then found out it's still the same song :D
(btw the ''horrible ' is just my opinion of course, as music taste is anyway..)
well, the surprisingly awesome lyrics and the first part still keep the grade up ;)
gimme one step
gimme one step mister
gimme one step mister
If only that DAMNED servant wouldn't have run and told on them.
Someone ought to impale him against the wall too for being a meddler.
Someone ought to impale him against the wall too for being a meddler.
play some john barleycorn next... :-)
Michael_Dean wrote:
See also the Beatles "Run For Your Life"
Hey Joe, where you going with that gun in your hand. / Wow! Killing people for fucking...
These are instructive songs, illustrating the perils of assimilating a culture of ownership.
The idea that you would need to, have to or want to try, to own someone seems absurd to me, been there, didn't do that.
But on the other hand, without this culture we wouldn't have such fine music, captivating stories or essential drama.
These are instructive songs, illustrating the perils of assimilating a culture of ownership.
The idea that you would need to, have to or want to try, to own someone seems absurd to me, been there, didn't do that.
But on the other hand, without this culture we wouldn't have such fine music, captivating stories or essential drama.
See also the Beatles "Run For Your Life"
If it sounds good it is good, we all have different ears .
Which came first? This tune OR Jessica by the Allman Brothers ?
Hey Joe, where you going with that gun in your hand. / Wow! Killing people for fucking...
These are instructive songs, illustrating the perils of assimilating a culture of ownership.
The idea that you would need to, have to or want to try, to own someone seems absurd to me, been there, didn't do that.
But on the other hand, without this culture we wouldn't have such fine music, captivating stories or essential drama.
These are instructive songs, illustrating the perils of assimilating a culture of ownership.
The idea that you would need to, have to or want to try, to own someone seems absurd to me, been there, didn't do that.
But on the other hand, without this culture we wouldn't have such fine music, captivating stories or essential drama.
Make it be over!
the moriarty's cover is far far sweet to my ears
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E68eaKWIOuE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E68eaKWIOuE
Wow. I've just given this Godlike version of the Trad song a big fat ten!
le_colonel wrote:
One must ask: how can anyone be so clueless? So, there!
wow.
1.
How can anything be this bad?
1.
How can anything be this bad?
One must ask: how can anyone be so clueless? So, there!
Betty and the Boy TAKE NOTE! (THIS is how it's done.)
wow.
1.
How can anything be this bad?
1.
How can anything be this bad?
Great musicians, benficial historians in ways! Last night saw that kiddie Dragon rider movie, very steeped in this north europe feel, as well as my favorite tv time: Game of Thrones, and recently a Nova special about Beowulf (translated by J.R.R. Tolkien). I enjoy it all
TJS wrote:
I'd say Matty Grove is not so happy.
I've never heard this before. It's dated-sounding to me, but it has a happy grove.
I'd say Matty Grove is not so happy.
Thank you for playing this classic example of British folk rock from a truly great band at the height of their powers. Please don't play it to death! Ignore the tasteless idiots who complain about it.
ekin wrote:
Please stop wasting our time with repetitive visuals. Very juvenile. That is what the rating button is for.
Please stop wasting our time with repetitive visuals. Very juvenile. That is what the rating button is for.
Foot wrote:
This is precisely what I came here to write.
Matty Groves must be related to Shady Grove, identical twins I'd say.
This is precisely what I came here to write.
Awesome piece! Awesome piece of music history, thank you DJ!
hbs47 wrote:
...... yes it does. 10 + +
It doesn't get any better. 10+
...... yes it does. 10 + +
Wow, they could shorten that hoedown at the end by an hour or so, couldn't they?
hey theyre playing my music his is a version of Black Jack Davy
Reminiscent of old Steeleye Span.
ScottishWillie wrote:
I couldn't agree more!
stevetheshoe wrote:
Doesn't get much better than Sandy Denny singing and Richard Thompson playing the lead guitar.
Agreed. Ignore the lightweights bleating on that’s its to long.I couldn't agree more!
Haven't heard this in awhile, even though I have it on vinyl. Infidelity and calumny in the middle ages! Absolutely excellent!
The length was not the problem for me. Hell, I can listen to ELP's 36 minute live version of Tarkus any old time. Length doesn't bother me. The point was that there wasn't a point to the lengthy solo after the first 2-3 minutes of it.
stevetheshoe wrote:
Doesn't get much better than Sandy Denny singing and Richard Thompson playing the lead guitar.
Agreed. Ignore the lightweights bleating on that’s its to long.Well, I liked the first half, then the beginning of the end jam, but damn.... Had to knock my rating down a notch.
I've never heard this before. It's dated-sounding to me, but it has a happy grove.
This is the musical equivalent of a flashing light that induces seizures. Ugh.
Singer/songwriter/author Wesley Stace (aka John Wesley Harding) wrote an entire novel based on the premise of this classic tune.
Matty Groves must be related to Shady Grove, identical twins I'd say.
Augustus wrote:
tori amos - smells like teen spirit just before this song again in 2012 and I have to say this wrecked the vibe I had going
I'm convinced that the tori amos cover before this is only played to "cleanse" the palate and allow better appreciation of songs like this.
tori amos - smells like teen spirit just before this song again in 2012 and I have to say this wrecked the vibe I had going
It's been a long time since I've heard this......it still sounds great.....what a group!
It doesn't get any better. 10+
babacool mais ça coule bien
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I'm convinced that the tori amos cover before this is only played to "cleanse" the palate and allow better appreciation of songs like this.
why
please...make...it...stop!
6-7
An old gem indeed. Sandy Denny was an original hippie, concur with the long ending comments.
Doesn't get much better than Sandy Denny singing and Richard Thompson playing the lead guitar.
I first heard a fragment of this (or perhaps it was Tam Lin) on WABX (or perhaps it was CJOM) in 1969 (or perhaps it was 1970). Anyway, I remember it like it was yesterday. Searched for several years to find the album it was from. Once I found it, rationed myself to one listening a year, usually around Halloween, so I would not lose the ethereal sense of a glimpse into a distant, magical time and place that the album first evoked for me. Eventually learned more about Cecil Sharp and Francis James Child, listened to Steeleye Span's albums, learned to play traditional tunes on the fiddle, and came to appreciate even more what Fairport Convention had accomplished.
10.
10.
Tedious.
A million trillion 10's.
To long kills nice!
Amusing when you look into the history of this song. The Wikipedia entry for the 18th century Shady Grove (Shady Grove (song)) says only "The melody is strikingly similar to that of an old English ballad, Matty Groves", but if you look at the Wikipedia entry for the 17th Century British song Matty Groves (Matty Groves) it says "In the United States the song was transformed into the less graphic "Shady Grove", which has itself become a traditional."
as a youngin i despised this sort of music, but, now, later on i can appreciate the beauty of this song. but.......why the long instrumental at the end? i can listen to Sandy Denny sing for hours, but the ending seems to go on FOREVER. oh well, it was still a hoot to hear this old gem.
fredriley wrote:
Quite, some two decades before the latest upstarts of the Nu-nu-folk movement (Decemberists, Mumford & Sons, Fleet Foxes et al), and IMO Fairport Convention beat the socks off these interlopers.
Best part of four decades Fred. . .
Quite, some two decades before the latest upstarts of the Nu-nu-folk movement (Decemberists, Mumford & Sons, Fleet Foxes et al), and IMO Fairport Convention beat the socks off these interlopers.
Best part of four decades Fred. . .
Mike_Sneade wrote:
This is where folk rock started.
Quite, some three decades before the latest upstarts of the Nu-nu-folk movement (Decemberists, Mumford & Sons, Fleet Foxes et al), and IMO Fairport Convention beat the socks off these interlopers.
This is where folk rock started.Quite, some three decades before the latest upstarts of the Nu-nu-folk movement (Decemberists, Mumford & Sons, Fleet Foxes et al), and IMO Fairport Convention beat the socks off these interlopers.
This is where folk rock started. rtrudeau wrote:
That's kind of a personal question, don't you think?
ba-dum-dum...
Is this an audience or an oil painting?
How long is this thing??
That's kind of a personal question, don't you think?
ba-dum-dum...Is this an audience or an oil painting?
I can never say anything bad about a pretty Celtic accent singing over a jaunty Celtic tune!
This song dates back more than 200 years. Always interesting to hear new interpretations.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shady_Grove_(song)
This song dates back more than 200 years. Always interesting to hear new interpretations.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shady_Grove_(song)
SO much better than the lame Mudcrutch effort called "Shady Grove". This has all the character and shade and light you could want, coupled with the wonderful tones of Sandy Denny. A magnificent telling of the tragic tale.
Just love it when you go old hippie... love it Bill, thx!
yee hawww!!! 
Great song. I love Sandy Denny's voice, but prefer Maddy Prior.
Alas majesty is wasted upon you.
tkay73 wrote:
tkay73 wrote:
One word- Yuck!
When will it ever end, make it stop!!
When will it ever end, make it stop!!
Not nearly long enough. Delicious.
rtrudeau wrote:
rtrudeau wrote:
How long is this thing??
johnjconn wrote:
This song sounds like a British Hillbilly song
It is. We call it "Folk music"
This song sounds like a British Hillbilly song
It is. We call it "Folk music"
I like this version the best, loads better than "Little Musgrave" that's for sure! This is a brilliant English version, it seems to me. Sandy Denny had a really good voice and a fantastic delivery, I bet she'd be doing great things now if she'd not died.
Wonderful!
Just in case you have no idea about Sandy;
Sandy Denny (6 January 1947 – 21 April 1978), born Alexandra Elene Maclean Denny, was an English singer and songwriterwho has been described by Allmusic's Richie Unterberger as "the pre-eminent British folk rock singer".<1>
Denny is considered a founder of the British folk rock movement and perhaps its most important female singer, songwriter and personality. Over a ten year career Sandy Denny left an extensive legacy and remains influential. She is remembered for her pivotal involvement with the British folk rock scene, where, as a member of Fairport Convention, she moved the band away from west coast American cover versions and into performing traditional material and original compositions.
at least it got lumped in with Tori Amos so I didn't have to unmute...
rtrudeau wrote:
How long is this thing??
I think they realize it's going on too long and that is why they sped the song up at the end. Cause if they didn't it would just take waaay to long. rtrudeau wrote:
Long enough to require chapters. . .
How long is this thing??
Long enough to require chapters. . .
Good to hear from the Sandy Denny -Fairport Convention golden age. A great album. Crazy Man Michael Please!
rtrudeau wrote:
I'm hoping it will end by next 4th of july
How long is this thing??
I'm hoping it will end by next 4th of july
I thought this was Steeleye Span, just from listening.
How long is this thing??
One word- Yuck!
When will it ever end, make it stop!!
When will it ever end, make it stop!!
TeleFrank wrote:
Exactly what I was thinking!
Now I got it:
"Shady Grove, my little love,
Shady grove I say"
"Shady Grove, my little love,
Shady grove I say"
Exactly what I was thinking!
Just put this album back in my rotation.
Much prefer Planxty's versions of this - 'little Musgrave'
A folk standard, especially for Fairport, but I think their live version is much better.
Now I got it:
"Shady Grove, my little love,
Shady grove I say"
"Shady Grove, my little love,
Shady grove I say"
If only that DAMNED servant wouldn't have run and told on them.
Someone ought to impale him against the wall too for being a meddler.