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Lazy8

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Posted: Apr 16, 2025 - 8:48pm

 islander wrote:
We have the word profiteering for a reason.

Yes: a failure to comprehend the simplest economic principle. It's far easier to blame the people who raise the price than the people who caused the prices to rise.
islander

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Posted: Apr 16, 2025 - 5:03pm

 Lazy8 wrote:

Eggs are in short supply. Prices rise until people decide to either pay up or have something else for breakfast.

Prices rising in scarcity forces people to prioritize. The people who eggs are worth the most to pay for them, if they aren't worth it to you you skip it. It's a feature, not a bug.


We have the word profiteering for a reason.
Lazy8

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Posted: Apr 16, 2025 - 3:26pm

 islander wrote:
see: "opportunistic assholes" below.

Eggs are in short supply. Prices rise until people decide to either pay up or have something else for breakfast.

Prices rising in scarcity forces people to prioritize. The people who eggs are worth the most to pay for them, if they aren't worth it to you you skip it. It's a feature, not a bug.
black321

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Posted: Apr 16, 2025 - 12:35pm

Covid showed us why protecting the global supply chain was so important, and how disrupting that would lead to significant inflation (or worse). 
Now, we have a president blowing up supply chains with unnecessary, self induced uncertainty. 
islander

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Posted: Apr 16, 2025 - 10:12am

 rgio wrote:

The family of the founder announced a secondary offering yesterday.  Instead of the avian flu destroying their business, it appears to have created an opportunity to at least partially exit at what the founders family feels is a high point.

My vote goes to the "jacked prices" theory.



see: "opportunistic assholes" below.
islander

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Posted: Apr 16, 2025 - 10:11am

 black321 wrote:


to be clearer...revenue goes up from volume and price.
Volume was up 10%, and if prices were stable that would result in a similar sales increase...so prices clearly benefitted the producer. 
If there costs had gone up in a similar fashion, the margin would have been more stable.
But...wholesale egg prices are usually contractual based on market prices for the commodity, not necessarily the price the producer itself sets for its product. Different than say an apparel manufacturer that mostly sets its own price (although commodities/markets also have an impact in terms of fabric costs).
I imagine though producers could have built in some type of discount for its retail customers.  (i have no idea what type of margin impact the retailers got, up or down). 



Yes, that's why I mentioned the first option. Maybe they were just horribly inefficient. they wasted 30% of the eggs instead of selling them. Maybe Jim on the line was a Klutz, it is a fragile product...

There are ways that the numbers could make sense without them being opportunistic assholes. They are unlikely ways, so it's far more likely they are just opportunistic assholes.
rgio

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Posted: Apr 16, 2025 - 10:04am

 islander wrote:
Most likely is that they just  saw an opportunity and thought 'why not' as they jacked their prices. 

The family of the founder announced a secondary offering yesterday.  Instead of the avian flu destroying their business, it appears to have created an opportunity to at least partially exit at what the founders family feels is a high point.

My vote goes to the "jacked prices" theory.

black321

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Posted: Apr 16, 2025 - 9:38am

 islander wrote:


Most likely is that they just  saw an opportunity and thought 'why not' as they jacked their prices. 


to be clearer...revenue goes up from volume and price.
Volume was up 10%, and if prices were stable that would result in a similar sales increase...so prices clearly benefitted the producer. 
If there costs had gone up in a similar fashion, the margin would have been more stable.
But...wholesale egg prices are usually contractual based on market prices for the commodity, not necessarily the price the producer itself sets for its product. Different than say an apparel manufacturer that mostly sets its own price (although commodities/markets also have an impact in terms of fabric costs).
I imagine though producers could have built in some type of discount for its retail customers.  (i have no idea what type of margin impact the retailers got, up or down). 

islander

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Posted: Apr 16, 2025 - 8:44am

 black321 wrote:


all due respect, when your profit margin jumps from 23% to 45% on a 10% volume increase, that's because you either raised prices or completely eliminated any historical promotions. 

probably a combination


Most likely is that they just  saw an opportunity and thought 'why not' as they jacked their prices. 
black321

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Posted: Apr 16, 2025 - 8:38am

 islander wrote:


There are non-profiteering ways this can happen. Maybe they had little impact on production and they are traditionally higher priced and less efficient. The lack of competition would take up the slack and improve their efficiency, then PROFIT! 

Or they just jacked their prices because they could and sold every egg they could squeeze out of he hens.


all due respect, when your profit margin jumps from 23% to 45% on a 10% volume increase, that's because you either raised prices or completely eliminated any historical promotions. 

probably a combination
islander

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Posted: Apr 16, 2025 - 8:32am

 black321 wrote:


Que?
For its 3Q ended 3/1/25, the largest egg producer saw volumes jump over 10%, sales more than double and operating profits quadrupled...all while the headline was egg prices are higher because of a shortage. Now I could see perhaps they werent as impacted and sales benefitted as they picked up the slack. But....at the same time their profit margin doubled to 45%. 


There are non-profiteering ways this can happen. Maybe they had little impact on production and they are traditionally higher priced and less efficient. The lack of competition would take up the slack and improve their efficiency, then PROFIT! 

Or they just jacked their prices because they could and sold every egg they could squeeze out of he hens.
black321

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Posted: Apr 16, 2025 - 8:23am

 Lazy8 wrote:

It's springtime, so my hens are super productive. Also my local Costco (which normally sells eggs by the pallet load in flats) has none. Zero. Zip. Not any.

Statistically these are known as anecdotes.


Que?
For its 3Q ended 3/1/25, the largest egg producer saw volumes jump over 10%, sales more than double and operating profits quadrupled...all while the headline was egg prices are higher because of a shortage. Now I could see perhaps they werent as impacted and sales benefitted as they picked up the slack. But....at the same time their profit margin doubled to 45%. 
rgio

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Posted: Apr 16, 2025 - 8:05am

 Lazy8 wrote:

It's springtime, so my hens are super productive. Also my local Costco (which normally sells eggs by the pallet load in flats) has none. Zero. Zip. Not any.

Statistically these are known as anecdotes.

Statistically, what was described is profiteering..  It's anecdotal if based on personal experience or limited data.  

The nation’s largest egg producer, Cal-Maine Foods, reported that its profits for the first quarter of 2025 soared to $508 million—more than triple the $146 million it earned in the same period last year.

That's not an anecdote, it's public company financial disclosure.


Lazy8

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Posted: Apr 16, 2025 - 7:57am

 black321 wrote:
A not so surprising fact about the so-called egg shortage, Cal Maine, the largest egg producer, not only saw its volume grow, but also its operating profits, up 4x for the quarter and nearly 7x YTD.

It's springtime, so my hens are super productive. Also my local Costco (which normally sells eggs by the pallet load in flats) has none. Zero. Zip. Not any.

Statistically these are known as anecdotes.
black321

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Posted: Apr 16, 2025 - 7:27am

A not so surprising fact about the so-called egg shortage, Cal Maine, the largest egg producer, not only saw its volume grow, but also its operating profits, up 4x for the quarter and nearly 7x YTD.




islander

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Posted: Apr 14, 2025 - 2:42pm

 black321 wrote:

1 in 3: Americans currently screaming “SELL! SELL!” into cell phone







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Posted: Apr 14, 2025 - 12:37pm


The Trump administration has raised taxes on Chinese imports to 125% as the trade war continues to heat up. The key facts and figures behind the president’s tariffs.

$3.2 billion: Market gains for bug-out bags

29: Turnips to be substituted into average American’s weekly diet

1 in 3: Americans currently screaming “SELL! SELL!” into cell phone

9: Quantity of eggs 401(k) worth now

1, 2, 3, 4: Numbers chanted by Trump before saying, “I declare a trade war!”

5: Days until you have to start making own soap

80%: Increase in Oliver Twist adaptations set in present day

48: Hours Youngstown, OH has been given to get a thriving banana industry up and running




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Posted: Apr 10, 2025 - 2:29pm

Rentiers vs. manufacturers
A new who’s who of the global elites
They dominate the countries that account for more than half of global GDP — but who are they?
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rgio

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Posted: Apr 10, 2025 - 11:10am

 islander wrote:

This is a crime:

...


I'm sure our new AG, who recently said â€œI wish we could have him for 20 years as our president, but I think he’s gonna be finished probably after this term.”... is gonna look into that immediately. 



Red_Dragon

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Posted: Apr 10, 2025 - 10:12am

 rgio wrote:

Hey Kurt....


Now that we know airports are designed as swastika and the Nordic countries don't count when discussing socialism... Any thoughts you'd like to share of the financial destruction of our country by a guy who's delivered more bankruptcies than Elon's had wives?

I know you've got a lot to remember, so here are some of the "promises made" that you so happily like to share about other topics....

“I will end inflation and make America affordable again on Day One.”
 â€œWe will deliver the best jobs, the biggest paychecks, and the brightest economic future the world has ever seen.”
 â€œMy tax cuts will put more money in your pocket immediately—no more federal taxes on tips, overtime pay, or Social Security benefits.”
 â€œUnder my leadership, we will see an economic boom like never before, starting right away.”

Prices are going up on EVERYTHING soon.  If you couldn't afford Biden...you're about to become homeless under Trump. 

Looking forward to your rebuttal... but not expecting one.   You've got bigger fish to fry, like defeating the Squad before they ruin America.




Any reply you're likely to get will be some version of whataboutism... "but Biden! But, what about Obama?" "But what about the Democrats!?" And the avoidance of anything resembling an actual reply to your inquiries. He's a broken record.
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